Buddy is an amazing drummer. I don't think too many would disagree with that.
I can remember the many "drum-off's" that Buddy would have with other drummers of his time, the most popular being with Krupa. Everytime I got to hear one of these, you could always tell Buddy had either slaughtered the time with chops galore and had the extra "something special". And that is usually what separates most popular drummers from the ones that aren't as popular.
And Henry.... I would think that most people here know that Buddy was in Vaudeville since he was a kid. Drumming 101.
I would agree that Tony was from a different world. He was the predecessor of what would later influence Vinne & Husband too for that matter. You can hear Tony big time in both of their playing.
Buddy was amazing in driving a big band. Like no one I've heard since him...... even todays BB jazz drummers. Thing is, you just can't replace the emotion that comes from one drummer or another. It's like a fingerprint, everyone has an individual one. I like them all, but they do have different approaches. Doesn't mean one doesn't swing a band any worse, just in a different way.
But for Henry II to say Vince can't "swing"?? That comment just plain and simply shows your immaturaty. I love the way Vince swings in Bebop and Big Band stuff. And he can "swing" hard while playing what would take 2 drummers to pull off (while eating sushi with his left hand)(last comment referring to the audition of Vinces with Zappa).
The metric modulation & superimposition ability of Vince's is like no other. Plus if you listen to John Pattatuchi's albums, the "sound" of Vinnie's drums are just as musical as what he is playing. These are concepts that were just not utilized as far Vinnie took them in Buddy's playing or his era. Same with Weckl in the Bill Conners "Step it" or with the Chick Electric band. Inovators of their time. BB drummers of Buddys era mostly were not into the tom sounds and tuning techniques that todays modern drummers are into.
I think posted by Henry II.....
"Buddy Rich was better, within his genre, than any other drummer has since been at their's. And neither VC nor DW are the musician that BR was. JMHO."
Respectfully, I couldn't disagree more with you man. Not only has time past and things evolved more than any other time in musical history, but to say that DW or VC aren't the musicians that BR was is just simply wrong. Aside from actually having studied musical theory in college, DW and VC have taken playing and adding their contributions to the cutting edge of musical evolution to it's limits.
Henry II posts.....
"Does that make VC better than BR? Does that mean BR couldn't do the same thing? "
Henry...
1st of all, this is such a kiddie drummer topic I almost don't want to respond..... but I will anyway I guess.
I would suggest you check out that gig of Vinnie with the Chick acoustic band in Japan (sorry S.P. I meant Acoustic, not Electric). You can make your own decision. Personally (I think), Buddy would NEVER be able to duplicate the madness that Vince was blowing both conceptually or via facility. Buddy just is not Vince. Vince is an animal (as weckl once called him).
I think what Buddy did was amazing in it's own context. But today you have a new breed of drummers that are just as able to play in Buddys style and genre as well as many others both early and contemporary.
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